Discussion forum
responses to www.boycottbush.net

Mon. 16 June 2003
Subject: Action against Bush

We are all aware of what George W. Bush is: The question now is what is anyone going to do about it.Bush and his cronies don't believe anything is going to be done about him since thus far,no serious or organized campaigns have been launched against him.

The most rational thing to be done at this point,is to have him brought up on charges of crimes against humanity by the International Court of Justice.This is what has been done by Greek lawyers against Tony Blair.There was an effort by Ramsey Clark to have Bush impeached (which I donated to) but this effort seems to have disappeared.

It's time for people to get serious and take legal action against this man,for he is vulnerable to legitimate and valid crimes in various cases.The more people just complain and call this man names,the more he becomes invigorated to commit other atrocities both domestic and internationally.

The time has come to confront him with legal challenges that he has no answer or defense for.The longer that people wait,the smaller the window of opportunity becomes in order to have this man made legally responsible for his actions.

I just hope that persons throughout the world are committed to seeing him punished.

Pierre Talley

Date: Wed. 11 June 2003
Subject: Car Pledge

Other readers might be interested in the pledge we have signed -- to avoid car journeys as much as possible, and donate to charity for every car journey we do make. This began as a protest during the war on Iraq, and
we drew up a pledge form then for the use of like-minded friends. Here it is. Have other readers had the same idea? All good wishes

Aidan & Clare Baker

Date: Mon. 26 May 2003
Subject: Personal Boycott Ideas - from Australian perspective

Hi - I've created a personal website about my own experience of boycotting American products, related to the current US occupation of Iraq and the current US policy of "pre-emptive" wars. Here's an extract from the intro on my site:-
"I'm a mum (of three - 19, 17 and 11). They're all still at home - as is hubbie. I also work part-time (sometimes full-time), as a Registered Nurse. I live in Australia. I suppose I'm fairly average. Most of the time, I do the shopping. Like millions and millions of people around the world, I'm also horrified by current US foreign policy - and also like millions and millions of people around the world - I can't vote George Bush Junior out. The only vote I have is the dollar in my pocket - so I've decided to learn
about not buying American products. This is my story - and my strategies. I thought they may be useful in some way - as the decision to buy, or not to buy, is such a personal one. I was also inspired by the recent words (May 2003), of the famous writer Arundhati Roy (also relayed by the US Radio Station "Democracy Now!"), when she addressed the packed Riverside Church in Harlem, New York. She talks about imperialism - and about the need for boycotts ( a very old, and very effective, means of non-violent resistance). Here's the audio link:- Arundhati Roy: “Instant-Mix Imperial Democracy, Buy One Get One Free” You may find my site useful - it also contains a practical (and growing),
supermarket list of products I currently avoid, with some alternative suggestions. Here's the link:- www.geocities.com/empireboycott.
Yours very much in peace.

Kim Bax

Date: Thur 22 May 2003
Subject: Iraq playing cards with a twist

I am currently a teacher at Bellarmine College Prep in San Jose, California, U.S.A.
During the war/invasion of Iraq, I marched for peace, I cried, I turned off the tv and I searched for truth.
and then I created...www.operationhiddenagenda.net
Peace to all,

Kathy Eder

Date: Thur 1 May 2003
Subject: Disarm Bush

Recognizing our contribution to unhealthy air, water, neighborhoods, a sustainable future and world peace, we do hereby pledge to obey posted speed limits and never to exceed 55 MPH (88 km), in order to conserve fuel, reduce pollution, make our lives safer and disarm the petroleum bandits! Go to www.drive55.org

Tim Castleman

Date: Thur 24 April 2003
Subject: Why not?

Why not boycott air, food and water? What a bunch of idiots.

John Maxwell

Date: Wed 23 April 2003
Subject: Peace Worldwide

I´m happy to hear that there is a force against Bush in his own country, because I really think that Bush is a danger for the World.You live in the "Land of the free"...Americans, keep your rights, keep your land free! Bush has to be removed, and people like you should be in the withe house! God bless america

Johannes Stahl, Cologne, Germany

Date: Thur 17 April 2003
Subject: Bush rules(?)

hello....i WANT THE GREAT RULER OF THE U.S. TO INVADE IRAN THEN SERIA,THEN
THE FUCKIN CHINKS IN NORTH Korea. I love death and war!!

Stephen Livers

Date: Tue 15 April 2003
Subject: Good for us?

We here in America believe in people's right to speak even when they are stupid jerks like you are! It's obvious you would prefer a world ruled by tyrants who murder and torture their own people. Why not buy from the French, they would sell arms to terrorists, so I'm sure they will welcome your business too. You are TOTAL fools and we sure don't miss you!!!!!

Anonymous

Date: Mon 14 April 2003
Subject: Worried about the war - boycotting all American products

I think your site is very helpful - I am not only concerned about the environment, but all this war-mongering going on. It looks like Syria is next on the list and God knows who else if Bush is re-elected. This is starting to get scary. You might wish to get in contact with all the Stop-the-war organisations too - a boycott campaign can only really be effective if masses of people do it.I have been boycotting all products with American parent companies, regardless of whether they contribute to Bush, on the grounds that the taxes on the profits of these products go to the US govt. Stuff like Proctor and Gamble products - Colgate, Crest, Ariel, Bold, Flash - and cosmetics - Estee Lauder, Clinique and Max Factor. Even if Bush got re-elected, if the tax revenues aint there, he can't go to war. This is a unique moment to make an impact - the American economy is weak, the American government has a deep budget deficit - if the boycotts work properly, they should reach a point where they simply can't borrow any more.The sad thing about this is that I like most American people - if only Clinton could have run for office again!

Bonita Pinto

Date: Thur 10 April 2003
Subject: I love President Bush!!

Thank you so much for letting me know what companies I should continue to support because of their financial support of the Republican party!! I am so thankful for our President, George W. Bush, and I would love to express my appreciation to these companies for helping to keep our party strong!
You must be so disgusted that we don't have an immoral, deceitful president like Bill Clinton anymore. He lied under oath, supported your liberal agendas and winked at all the Hollywood weirdos who supported him while he made a mockery of America and the presidential office! Thanks for the info!
GOD BLESS AMERICA AND GOD BLESS PRESIDENT BUSH!!
Sign me, an ethical "conservative" consumer,

Alicia Gilligan

Date: Wed 9 April 2003
Subject: Cynic's corner

There is no global warming. At least not in the hysterically frantic picture of species extinction, and worldwide ecological catastrophe thatyou fools always seem to paint. As I'm sure you're well aware, new studies point to the middle ages as being warmer, than anything we've as yet experienced. And, as I'm sure you're also aware, human activity only accounts for about 5% of greenhouse gases released into the atmosphere.This basically abrogates your entire reason for existence ... so ... why do you exist, if not to spew your unreasoning, and hate-filled hyperemotional pseudointellectualism against capitalism, the United
States, and George W. Bush? Might I suggest a glass of warm milk, and some cookies, or some Ativan, to help calm you down from frothing at the mouth all over the carpeting? Most certainly an enema might do you wonders.

Al Perrin

Date: Sun 6 April 2003
Subject: Dumb as posts

You shouldn't be allowed to live in American. You are dumb as a post! I am embarrassed that Americans would act like this during this time. What apple cart have you fallen off?
DUH!

Brenda/John Baskett

Date: Sat 5 April 2003
Subject: Supporting Bush

This is one stupid website. I hope you get your head out of your behind. President George W. Bush is one of the best US President that this country has ever had. I guess you are a democrat. I assume you miss the Clinton & Gore team..The worst we had! I love my country and all this antiwar crap you and your ignorant followers are trying to stir up has made me and many Americans very angry. I think I will start a campaign against antiwar demonstrators boycott their businesses. Make them feel the pain they have made our soldiers feel... I hope each and every one of you will need help and protection sometime in your life and NOT receive it..take your tootty frootty behinds out of this country and go live with the French and the Germans...You probably think like them. Now that the war is almost won, let the French and Germans come in and handle everything..We are there for humanitarian reasons. They were not....They are there for the money ..They still have their hands out now..
PS. Thankz for listing all your companies to boycott. I will shop everyone I can...
In God I Trust. That leads My President George W. Bush

Raeyne.

Date: Tue 1 April 2003
Subject: Boycott Bush

This web site is a joke. With idiots like you guys on the loose, I feel much better about the Republican Party.

David Richey

Date: Tue 1 April 2003
Subject: Boycott Arab Oil

I took a look at your website and see it's ever so one-sided. Since all Arab countries are run by dictatorships (most of them cruel and with well-known human rights abuses), I really think you should be running a boycott against those Arab countries producing and selling oil. Until you even things out, it looks like your consumerism is not so ethical after all. I await your updated list with baited breath.

Naomi Geffen

Date: Fri 28 March 2003
Subject: boycott list/alternatives to Microsoft

Microsoft is depending very much on the ms office products. we found a very good alternative, which runs on ms windows, mac and linux. so we would like you to mention this alternative office product on you web site. it's "open office". open office has alternatives for word, excel and powerpoint and you are able to read and write the format of documents from word, excel and powerpoint.people may download the free, alternative office product or inform themselves under www.openoffice.org.

Ullrich Mester

Date: Tue 25 March 2003
Subject: Thank God I live in America

I disagree with you entire philosophy. On in America are we free to speak our opinions. I support President Bush and our troops!!!!!!! I suggest we boycott YOU!

Frank Williams

Fri, 4 Oct 2002
Subject : Boycotting

When boycotting goods on sale in supermarkets greater impact could be achieved if the boycotted goods were collected, taken to the checkout and left there with a pre-printed note stating why the goods are being boycotted. The management will have the choice of discontinuing stocking and/or
passing on the message to the supplier.
J G Grachvogel

Fri, 27 Sep 2002
Subject: "discussion"

Thanks for doing this website!! I was really happy to see the list of products to boycott, and I sent the
link to lots of people I know.
Vio Scarabee

Tue, 10 Sep 2002
Subject: bush

Bush administration and companies around him are selfish, greedy and above all irresponsible.
Is it evil, ignorance or power control? Maybe all three

Fredrik Jonnson

Mon, 2 Sep 2002
Subject: Excellent site

Some of the critics and fans of the Boycott Bush site may be interested to read a book called 'Why do people hate America' (Sarder & Davies, Icon Books 2002). An excellent insight into the impact of US foreign policy on the rest of the world, and the US media cocoon that protects the American conscience from any form of negative feedback.
Sam Kimmins

Sun, 19 May 2002
Subject: None

Well all the people did vote against bush, but i don't think he's such a bad administrator. if the other guy al gore was voted in he'd would have been favourable to democratic nations. that's it . but this site is pretty good and reflects the feelings of the world's true democracies.

Mon, 13 May 2002
Subject: comment

Thank God for GWB!!!! I cant imagine that pork brain Gore waiting for a focus group or to invent himself to deal with the current world crisis.Ed Wagner

Tue, 05 Mar 2002
Subject: Boycottbush.net I just came across your george bush site.. Heh.. :). He seems to making more of a fool of himself daily so I though I'd setup http://bushtop100.com. Please could you add your site to my brand new bush listing.Matt
P.s. I am neither a republican or a democrat.. Just human :)

Thu, 7 Feb 2002
Subject: catch 22

Having just looked at your boycott web page, I feel slighltly trapped. As
much as I can - as a gay man - support the boycott of stagecoach for the
owner's position on section 28 and gay issues, I have more problem
boycotting Glaxo whose drugs - as an hiv person - are actually keeping me
alive and fairly well... well enough to boycott barclays, cycle so I don't
have to use petrol from Shell or Esso! ;-)

Wed, 06 Feb 2002
Subject: contributions

Greetings -- good site, great idea. I'm not a USAmerican, but the contagion of elections-for-sale is infecting my country and I hate to see it happen. If Bush the younger can be shown up for the hired thug he is, it may serve to cause the pirates to keep their heads down, at least. But, the site would have more "punch" if it could include a comparative list of the biggest donors to the Democratic campaign; more specifically, I'm interested to know if any of Bush's big donors were contributing to both parties, 'hedging their bets'. Of course, even if they were the system still screams for finance reform. I just think that info on big donors to each party is ammunition we need to have. Thanks! Ruth in Canada

Mon, 28 Jan 2002
Subject: Boycott Bush

I just stumbled into your boycottbush web site and to be honest, I find this a total joke. You list the Enron Corp. as a company that should be boycotted. When in fact, Enron was in bed with the Clinton administration as they lobbied Clinton to sign the Kyoto agreement. Then, you put all of this focus on a boycott of Bush but fail to disclose the fact that our Senate voted 96 to ZERO against the Kyoto treaty. So, I ask, why don't you list all of the contributors to the Democratic party as well? In case you
are not aware, America has a Democratic form of government and a president cannot dictate the acceptance of something like the Kyoto treaty. He has to have the support from the other elected bodies. It just so happens that all of our elected officials know that Kyoto has too many flaws in it and
many believe it is based on junk science. Have Nice Day!Anon.

Fri, 25 Jan 2002
Subject: Want to change the world? Stop shopping!

This is great, but lets take it a step further. This may not be appealing to the American consumer and send a chill down their spines, but this is war isn't it.I hate George W. Bush. There, I've said it and I feel better. Now, what to do about it, after all he was the one who said you are either for them or against them. I am certainly against them and I e-mailed the White House back in October and told them so. How do we defeat these criminals who have taken over our country and wish to take our freedoms from us? It is simple. Stop shopping!!!! It may sound stupid at first but think about it for a moment. Elections are won or lost on bread and butter issues. Not over how well things are going overseas. If the economy is cooking come 2004 we are going to be stuck with these bastards for another four years. Don't count on Enron or any other scandal to bring them down. Remember the Iran/Contra scandal? They managed to turn drug dealing and arms smuggling into a patriotic act that was to the benefit of our country and they gave us Oliver North the great American hero who was busy helping to flood our city streets with crack! Some American hero.Yes, I know, you may lose your jobs. Many already have and are going to continue losing them whether we act or not. Bush himself said we must make sacrifices for the sake of war. Well this is war! And it is either us, the backbone of this great nation, or them, the parasites that wish to oppress
the middle class and plunder the treasury for their corporate friends. We may suffer economically for a few years, but if we do nothing to bring them down the nation may suffer for decades to come from their "mad global ambitions". And keep this in mind; some of the people, perhaps half, who lose their jobs are the very people who voted for Bush the first time and if they don't get a bad taste in their mouths for him they will vote for him again and we may end up with another election fiasco. Next time our candidate needs to defeat him by an unquestionable margin where even cheating will not help.So I am calling on all Democrats, Independents, Libertarians, and anyone else who doesn't like Bush to rein in their spending. Lets put a temporary lid on this economy. Buy only what you need and then seek the best possible deal. It will be a good chance for those with children to teach them an important lesson about altruism, self sacrifice and what truly makes this a great nation. Spread the word. It will work and we will change the course of history without having to fire a shot.

David Martini

Tue, 8 Jan 2002
Subject: Anti-consumerism

Just stumbled across your very interesting website, thanks to the wonders of the GOOGLE search engine. You might find my own website of interest, since we both appear to be genuinely concerned about this central problem of materialist consumerism's effects on the planet and human lifestyles. URL is : http://www.lanset.com/aeolusaero/aeolus_aerospace.htm
Further, please advise me on any other information that may be useful in promoting awareness of the importance of this concept of reducing reliance on consumption (and associatively, on the American model of regarding everything as a potential resource for conversion into materialist consumables for corporate profiteering). Thank you! Cheers,
Chris Carey

Sun, 6 Jan 2002
Subject: George Bush

I am an American citizen and I am opposed to George W. Bush and his irresponsible environmental policies and corporate interests. Thank you for providing discussion about these issues.
Theresa Wallace

Sat, 5 Jan 2002
Subject: Kyoto

Surely you guys know that the Kyoto treaty was rejected by all Democrats in the Senate under Clinton. In fact, the vote against it was unanimous. We cannot implement a treaty not ratified by Congress. If you don't know this, then you really have no business bashing Bush, since you have no idea what you're talking about.Tony Lemaster

Mon, 20 Dec 2001
Subject: US arrogance

I am simply unable to believe some of the responses you have received on this topic. The arrogance of some of the US respondence is stunning. The fact that most of them seem to assume that ECRA is a US based organisation demonstrates an inability to see, never mind understand, anything outside there own geographical boundries. S. Johnsons' comments demonstrate a total lack of any understanding about environmental issues, the simple fact is, that US citizens and corporations are consuming too many resources and show no signs of slowing down. The US has provided a barrier to almost all international legislation, environmental or otherwise, and has been criticised more times for breaches of international law than any country on earth. While the US has for many years been an international pariah, the leadership of this latest idiot is placing us all in danger for the short-term profit of the few. The man only had support from about 20% of his own electorate (democracy?), in the rest of the world he is even less popular, as has been seen by the mass demonstrations across Europe on his last tour. He cannot be allowed to waterdown and ingore internationally agreed regulations any longer, as he is making decisions that are irresponsible, irreversable and effect the whole world. Dr Scott Else
PS: I am not a 'commie', a hippy or a 'treehugger', but I am a parent and I won't stand by and watch you hawk my childrens future, for your own greed.

Tue, 14 Dec 2001
Subject: Some thoughts for you to consider

I feel your organization is greatly mislead. While yes, GWB is not as active as his tree-hugging predicessors, he is more "even-keeled", tempering environmental issues with the threats of recent days. I'm certain you would probably boycott anyone who does not agree 100% with your views, but that is not realistic by any measure. Reality dictates that all issues are given due consideration, and attention apportioned as it can be afforded as funding allows. The United States has in many ways lead the way in environmental reform, in fact the U.S. Governent, regardless of administration, has done more to protect the environment than any other nation, and has spent more than any other nation in the process. Get a life.S. Johnson
Proud American

Tue, 06 Nov 2001
Subject: Off Base

While I understand and agree with your concerns, I think you may be off base on this issue. The first fact is that the Senate had laready pledged to veto the ratification of the Kyoto policy, meaning it did not matter
whether Bush supported the plan or not. The second issue to consider is that the Kyoto plan places no energy caps on developing conutries, most notably China and India. If you look around, you will find that a
substantial portion of US consumer goods already say "Made in China", and if we cap American energy consumption without likewise capping China, the only result will be that more goods will be made in China. This will increase the pollution problems and at the same time cripple the American economy. I believe Bush is trying to provide a solution which will apply to all nations, not just the developed ones.
Any other plan is futile and subject to failure. Finally, energy consumption is a way of life, and the only way to stop pollution is to come up with alternative energy sources, or return to the dark ages. I
haven't seen any information on your site on any alternative energy solutions, and a return to mcuh less energy consumption is only a fantasy. I would be interested in any alternative solutions you may be interested in suggesting. Sincerely, Mike BeachP.S. As bad as Bush may be, he isn't selling supercomputers to governments hostile to the US, something Clinton did. Selling these supercomputers allows China to develop more deadly waepons, resulting in further violence in the world.Mike Beech

Fri, 14 Sep 2001
Subject: Boycott Bush

Very interesting, at least we know where the village idiots live, what a total waste of effort from another wing of rent a crowd. Get real do you honestly think you are having any effect on the man or the country, if you don't like it leave and live somewhere else.
Bush Cdr1

Fri, 07 Sep 2001
Subject: what discussion

'Richard' should perhaps do a little research before he begins to criticise, I have come to this site through a link from the Ethical Consumer site, as the same people do both sites. I have been a subscriber to the magazine for some years and what it does is exactly what 'Richard' suggests "explain WHY xyz is ethically more sound than pqr". We do not 'all', think Nestle/Mcdonalds etc are bad otherwise they would not be so popular, equally we do not 'all' think fairtrade goods are good, otherwise people would buy them instead.
Maybe WE do understand what technology like genetic engineering REALLY means and that is why WE want to do something about it. I don't know where you are from but in the UK, the issues you mention receive very little media discussion, but all of the companies will appear on all TV's and in all newspapers with multi-million pound ad campaigns. What seems to be most fashionable in all media debate is the kind of blind cinicism you put across, after all its so much easier than fighting for what you believe in. So maybe its you who is following the crowd. The suffering of others really isn't your concern after all is it... remember everyone in Kaki's.Dave Thornton

Wed, 05 Sep 2001
Subject: discussion

I am frustrated that there is no debate about the underlying issues raised here. Sure, if something is 'morally wrong' then people should be free to take action or boycott it - but too many of these websites which advocate boycotting, investing ethically etc. simply use these terms like they are
the most obvious and easy things to decide upon. How can anybody work out what is 'morally wrong' or 'ethically sound' when all that happens is that these words are attached to companies and activities in such a random way, without explanation or debate? If something is condemned as wrong in such
strong terms, and if you are encouraging people to act in such potentially powerful ways, I think it is very important that you explain both sides of the arguments. We 'all' love to hate McDonalds, Nestle, George Bush, Nike and Esso, nuclear power, GM technology and global warming, and we 'all'
think that fairtrade goods and solar energy and organic food and sustainability and anti-globalisation is good... but I bet you that very few people could talk for more than 10 seconds about WHY. If you can explain WHY xyz is ethically more sound than pqr, not with reference to obvious criminal acts like people being murdered by soldiers but more when talking about why fairtrade is fair, what is wrong with genetic engineering and why nuclear power bad, then please do so. Otherwise, boycotting things you don't like seems like a fashion statement, a shallow way to make yourself feel better, without any understanding whatsoever of what it really REALLY means. I am not advocating 'no action' - as I say,
if people want to vote with their feet and wallets then it is very very important that they should do so. People must always be able to say what they want and do what they think is right. But it is surely 'morally right' to encourage those people to make informed decisions based on exposure to as much debate as possible, rather than on fashion, blind faith, and following the crowd.Richard

Mon, 30 Jul 2001
Subject: Boycott

I do not know whether this is already been practised, but: The Boycott would be much more powerful if all the people, who had joined the boycott, would send emails to the american companies they boycott. That way the americans get to know that they are being boycotted sooner and maybe some one starts to act sooner, too. I suggest that this site would produce a list of email adresses where
each can mail his /her own personal boycott message to the companies. And remember, if the US market goes down, we all will follow…Olli Tuomola

Date sent: Mon, 9 Jul 2001
Subject: the cost to business of implementing Kyoto

With COP6 coming up, you may be interested in a case-study that shows business can switch to renewable electricity and save money! As of 6 July, virtually all The Co-operative Bank's branches have switched to a green energy supply (follows on from all major occupancies over last
couple of years). Means that we have now reduced our total CO2 emissions by 90 per cent
compared with 1997 (combination of energy efficiency and green electricity). The Bank is now probably the largest corporate purchaser of green energy in the country, with virtually all of its electricity supply now being green (97 per cent). However, more interestingly... Total additional cost of green electricity (over cheapest option) is just £70K. However, this is more than compensated for by savings accruing from energy efficiency (£110K) which have seen energy usage fall by 3,000,000
kWh per annum since 1997. Never mind the benefits of positive PR (to date calculated at £50K) and enhanced relationships with a whole variety of stakeholders.
Paul Monaghan,
Co-operative Bank

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